The story behind the 'Grimm Robe' Set
Well, what is the story behind this release....let's see. I met
Stephen O'Malley when he moved to NYC, which was probably around
late '99 or so. We became friends, and bonded over such things
as going to see Iron Maiden, Queensryche, and Halford at Madison
Square Garden! He is a vinyl maniac like me, and so a friendship
He always kept me up to date with releases he was involved with,
and when the Grimm Robe CD came out he gave me one. I remember
thinking "if I still did drugs, I'd LOVE to listen to this
while lying around high". I used to listen to EARTH like
that when I was a victim. But whatever, it's good music for what
it is- SUNN do what they do well! Obviously, they are more than
just a soundtrack for the drugged masses, but of course with my
damaged brain that was the first thing that popped into it.
Fast forward a few years, and Stephen and I were talking over
lunch or on the phone or something when he told me that this was
something that had never come out on vinyl that he'd like to do.
No, I take that back, I think what happened was that I was thinking
of an idea of doing a split LP of SUNN with these Indian musicians
who play in restaurants on 6th Street (an idea I still love!),
but instead this release came up. I think that's how it may have
happened.... who frickin' knows.
As to not bore you with more rambling the bottom line is this:
the idea to release the demos came to fruition, and the double
LP picture disc set of the "Grimm Robe Demos" was born.
It came and went in the span of a couple weeks, and was one of
the most amazing responses I've ever gotten for a release. Thanks
to everyone who has ordered and is enjoying this package. I have
gotten some very cool emails from people, like one that said that
this was the "best record in their collection"! I think
the best description/review that came in yet regarding what's
in the grooves was from my friend Matt in CA who said:
"......that Sunn record...3 sides of the
very mouth of hell........"
Special thanks to Stephen O'Malley for all his
help and dedication to this project, and to all the members of
SUNN (Greg 'Southern Lord' Anderson, George Dahlquist, et all...),
for providing the music. Without the music, none of this would
Constructing 'Grimm Robe' Set
Putting this project together was quite a process. Stephen is
a person who likes to push the limits of packaging, and so between
the two of us it was a deadly combination. It's hard to remember
now who thought of what or when, because over the span of almost
a year we talked back and forth, traded ideas, and it all just
organically progressed into what it became.
We wanted to make this thing different, and I'd say we did. The
idea of sealing each one so that it couldn't be kept 'mint' was
something I'd wanted to do for a while. I battle the collectors
demon too- and is something I am not always proud of! I've had
HUGE fights with girlfriends for bending the cover of an LP, lost
sleep over things like LPs getting lost in the mail (which always
turn up), gotten up in the middle of the night to check on an
ebay item when it was closing (before the days of auction stealer!),
shit like that which just isn't normal!
So something I experienced while doing this project was letting
go of things. I am an obsessive collector who likes to get ALL
variations of things I collect, and of course I collect things
on my own label in that same way. But each one of these records
was different. There was NO way to hold onto 'one of each variation'
unless I kept the whole pressing! We just made them, and let them
go... and each copy is different in more ways than just a number
on the back. Everyone who got one now owns something unique in
it's own way!
The wax seal..... I had gotten this hot wax seal as a christmas
gift from my aunt years ago, and had immediately though 'wow,
would be great to do a record where you used this and they had
to break the seal to see and hear it'. It took a few years for
it to happen, but it came to be used- the idea at least.
I have to say, I've never experienced as much physical pain constructing
a release as I did on this one. Stephen got the seal from some
witches off ebay. He came over and helped do about 100 of these,
but the rest I did alone. And I have to say, when sealing them
alone it was hard to hold it shut- juggle the burning wax and
seal it! I got a lot of pretty rough hot wax burns!
As far as the 'etching' goes, there's been a lot of questions
about that, and here's the facts... as many people have figured
out, it's just "dylan carlson" repeated on side 4. So
why did we press it like that? It wasn't our choice really. We
had planned it as a 3 sided release, and were thinking about doing
an etching on side 4. The etching thing couldn't be done at the
plant, so we said- fine- just leave it blank then, it will look
cool like that.
Well, they did the test pressings fine in that way (side 4 is
blank) but when it came time to do the actual pressing we got
an email at the last minute saying "if we press it one sided
it will be warped". And so they asked if they could put the
same music again on side 4. We agreed to do that, BUT the covers/films
and all had already been designed- for a 3 sided release!
So, instead of changing all that, and/or leaving is so that people
got MORE confused as to why a 3 sided double LP all of the sudden
has 4 sides, we decided to 'etch' the last side. Again, a very
interesting process for me, as I've never intentionally defaced
a record. I have to say it was kind of fun! And so you have the
story of the etching on side 4.
You know, another funny thing about this is that as it went on,
the packages became nicer and nicer. So it's a case where it is
of course always cool to have a lower number on the pressing,
but quite honestly the seals on the early ones were hard for us
to do as I was inexperienced with using 'hot wax'! Same with the
silkscreen printing on the covers, the first batch was hard because
we didn't have the exact proper mix down with the ink and I didn't
know the materials as well as I did after doing 150 of them! So
what I'm saying is that some of the later copies look really nice,
so if you got a low #, of course that rules, but if you got a
later one- it has it's perks!
There were many variations and changes that were made as it went
along because it was a process. We would run out of something,
get something new, have new ideas... so it's just the way it was.
As far as the different types of covers inside, same story- I
ran out of regular jackets and my distributor didn't have any
more, so we went with the DJ style disco jackets for the last
19. There are only 218 #'ed copies. We made a #0/220 which I used
the proof cover for, and I kept that one because Stephen wanted
#1/220. In the end he sold that one at the Chicago show, which
anyway, hope this is interesting or something to somebody, it
was fun to do!
PRESSING INFO FOR SUNN 'GRIMM ROBE'
Here's the information breakdown of the SUNN pressing,
of how many of each were made and what color wax etc.... I've
tried to be as specific as possible. On the left is the #'s, then
the color of wax was used for the seal, then type of paper, and
lastly- the color ink used to print inside.
#0 silver wax, black card stock, silver print inside & outside-
proof cover used.
#1-15 silver wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#16-28 red wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#29-39 bronze wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#40-53 gold wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#54-56 red wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#57-66 red wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#67-72 red wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#73-76 gold wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#77-86 gold wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#87-92 gold wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#93- gold/bronze wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#94-96 bronze wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#97-100 bronze wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#101- bronze/red wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#102-106 red wax, black card stock, silver print inside
#107-117 red wax w/ silver dust, black card stock, gold print
#118- bronze/red w/ silver dust, black card stock, gold print
#119-124 bronze w/ silver dust, black card stock, gold print inside
#125-156 gold w/ silver dust, black card stock, gold print inside
#157-166 bronze w/ silver dust, stygian black paper, silver blue
#167-176 bronze w/ silver dust, stygian black paper, silver blue
#177-191 bronze w/ silver dust, stygian black paper, silver blue
#192- bronze/silver w/ silver dust, stygian black paper, silver
blue print inside
#193-195 silver w/ silver dust, stygian black paper, silver blue
#196- silver/red w/ silver dust, stygian black paper, silver blue
#197-206 silver/red w/ silver dust, stygian black paper, silver
blue print inside
#207-213 gold/slight red w/ silver dust, stygian black paper,
silver blue print inside
#211-213 gold/slight red w/ silver dust, black french butcher
paper, silver blue print inside
#214-217 red w/ silver dust, black french butcher paper, silver
blue print inside
#218- gold/red w/ silver dust, black french butcher paper, silver
blue print inside
#219-220 do not exist... the pressing was done short at the plant.
gallery: click here to see photos of all varaitions that were
documented and the process. Some of the photos are a little blurry,
sorry about that. I'm going to try and reshoot them when time
other random notes:
All copies are numbered on the cover next to the silk screened
Although they are numbered out of 220 copies, there are really
only 218, the pressing was short.
#0-199 have the LP's in standard black covers
#199-218 have the LP's in DJ style black sleeves with holes.
#0, and #214-218 are folded so information is on the outside
All sets were constructed between the dates of 9/23/03 and 10/9/03.
Etching of Side 4 was done by Stephen and I on 9/23/03.
There are 9 sets which were not "etched" on Side 4.
We kept 5 of those and 4 of them are out there somewhere....
Covers were silk screened by hand in Brooklyn one at a time at
Kayrock Studios, first 57 by Kayrock, Wolfey, and Omid; the other
161 by Omid.
The test pressings for this set were done on blank white picture
discs with a blue line on them. They are 3 sided, the 4th side
is blank. The packaging is similar to the final sets, each LP
is in black cover, and on the front of one sleeve is a black certificate
with information printed on it, and a # of / 15. Then each has
a black paper 'band' that holds the 2 LP's together, and it's
sealed with a hot wax stamp. All test pressing sets are identical,
and have silver wax seals.
#1-15 silver wax, black card stock band around cover
Before you even ask- and you wouldn't have been the first to...
I don't have any of these for sale right now. Most of these went
to band/people involved. I am going to auction off any extra sets
I have of test pressings for all Outlaw releases at some point
in the future to fund upcoming releases.
The "Ultra Grimm Box Set"
Basically, after I moved I was going through all my stuff and
I had collected all the items related to the SUNN release in one
place, and decided to pack them up and pass them on. So I created
the "ultra grimm box set" which basically housed ALL
the items related to the pressing and process of this release.
It was sold on ebay, and now resides in the hands of a very happy
collector who says he will cherish it until death! Below is a
list of what was in it.
Three page 11”x17” printouts of proof artwork for
discs. You can see the original plan for etching on side 4 of
The three versions of the print for the covers done by Stephen
through his office. All have some changes made, you may be able
to spot them.
Two films for the above prints, used to burn silk screens.
Set of 8 different proof cards from silk screening phase. These
show some of the different types of paper and ink colors that
The piece of newspaper used as a guide to fold the cover sheets.
The pentagram hot wax seal.
The 3 pieces of leftover wax for the sealing, along with the morbid
The silver inkpad used in second phase of hot wax sealing.
Test pressing of the “Grimm Robes” set, #15/15
“Grimm Robes” LP set #217/218
Hand made SUNN box to house the grimness.